I recently had a Facebook exchange with a Liberal regarding a friend’s post that featured this picture…
Granted, we did get off track from the intent of the original post when the other commenter, who took exception with my position, made the statement that Americans in general don’t know the difference between a Sunni (Muslim) and a Scientologist and that such ignorance is very dangerous.
Of course, the implication, as is usually the case from Liberals, is that Americans are responsible for the evil in the world, not the evil doers. Following is the orignal exchange (In order to protect privacy, we will call the liberal commenter “LibMan”):
Me: I don’t know … I think the truth could be taught …. that actual so-called “moderate ” Muslims do not exist. That Islam by doctrine and definition requires the subjugation, submission, and/or slavery or death of anyone who is not Muslim … I mean we could teach that couldn’t we…. not likely I know but ….
LibMan: ALL world religions should be taught in public schools. America’s ignorance of other religions and cultures gets us into so much trouble around the world and makes us so despised by other countries. Most Americans don’t know the difference between a Sunni and a Scientologist. Ignorance is not bliss, in fact it’s very dangerous.
Me: Pretty sure Muslims don’t want to kill us because we might mistake them for Sceintologists. The Medieval roots of Wahabism require the establishment of a world caliphate and implementation of Sharia law, a view subscribed to by about 80% of Muslims worldwide and 53% of U.S. Muslims. (Figures from Pew Research Center survey). It is a war based on their religious beliefs. When the Quran ‘s Verse of the Sword is used to justify the murder of innocents it is not bigotry to recognize the enemy for what and who they are. It is common sense.
LibMan: First, the statement of this posting is that Islam should not be taught in American public schools which is a very ignorant view, but oh so typical in our fair land. The idea that Sharia law could supplant the U.S. legal system is preposterous. Most Muslims don’t want to harm us as long as we don’t invade their lands, kill their people, and steal their valuables. I have lived and worked in two Muslim countries and visited many more, and I have found Muslims to be very hospitable people. Two countries that would prefer Sharia law are Iraq and Afghanistan, two countries that we destroyed and imposed corrupt political systems upon them. Gee, does there seems to be a pattern here? Sharia law, by the way, applies only to Muslims and is incredibly vague and open to interpretation and misinterpretation.
In an effort to be courteous to my Facebook friend who originally posted the pic (I don’t think he intended for such controversy to arise) and because of the space required to reply in detail, I decided it would be best to respond to LibMan here rather than on my friend’s Facebook timeline. Opinions expressed here are strictly my own and not my friend’s.
1. LibMan: ALL world religions should be taught in public schools –
Response: Actually, I agree with this concept. A broad education and understanding of the world around us is important. But that education should be based on truth and not push a false narrative that attempts to mold opinion despite the facts.
2. LibMan: America’s ignorance of other religions and cultures gets us into so much trouble around the world and makes us so despised by other countries.
Response: Rubbish. America has done more to help struggling countries, to free the enslaved of the world and to shine the light of Liberty into the dark corners of tyranny that any other nation on earth. Are we perfect…absolutely not. Do we make mistakes…of course we do. But in the end we Americans have shed more blood for others than has ever been, or will ever, be shed for us by those who supposedly “despise us” for our ignorance.
3. LibMan: Most Americans don’t know the difference between a Sunni and a Scientologist.
Response: Probably true, and so what. While I agree that ignorance is not bliss, it is not the reason that Muslims in general want to bring down the United States and all western societies where the concepts of Freedom, Liberty and individual rights take precedence over religious belief…in this case over Islam
Muslims want to take down the West and the United States in particular, because of its standing as the leading proponent and example of freedom, free will and individual rights in the world, and because those beliefs are in direct contradiction to the teachings of the Quran.
Jihadists use the Quaran’s Verse of the sword (Sura 9:5) as well as other passages to justify the murders they commit in the name of Islam. They also base much of their justification and interpretation of Quranic passages on the Hadith, the acts and teachings of Muhammed. Imams the world over use this to interpret the Quran and its passages in favor of violence. In short, Muhammed was a very violent person whose acts and methods included, murder, rape, pedophilia, subjugation and slavery to spread Islam.
We may be hated by Islamic countries and Muslims in general, not because of our ignorance of their beliefs, real or imagined, but because they are taught that the entire world must be brought under the rule of Islam and its Caliphate as part of the fulfilling of the “End Times”. LibMan and others may deny this or choose to ignore it, but it does not make it less true.
Here are a couple of inconvenient facts:
– According to the Center for Security Policy, a majority of U.S. Muslims surveyed “(51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” ( http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/ )
– Overwhelming percentages of Muslims in many countries want Islamic law (sharia) to be the official law of the land, according to a worldwide survey by the Pew Research Center. (http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/ )
4. LibMan: First, the statement of this posting is that Islam should not be taught in American public schools which is a very ignorant view, but oh so typical in our fair land
Response: Whether or not Islam should be taught in our schools is an individual opinion, but as is the case with Liberals, if you disagree with them, you are ignorant. So be it. School curriculum should be a matter for local districts and parents to decide. I’m comfortable with leaving it in the hands of individuals and away from the meddling of government.
5. LibMan: The idea that Sharia law could supplant the U.S. legal system is preposterous.
Response: As usual Liberal, reactionary emotion misinterprets what I said. The point was not that Sharia would supplant the U.S. legal system. I said that the majority of American Muslims would like to be governed by Sharia, two different concepts, but the subtlety was obviously lost on LibMan. I did misquote the percentage, giving it as 53% instead of 51%,
The fact that they would like us to be governed by Sharia, was intended to demonstrate that Muslims, even a majority of those in this country whom we may consider as moderate, are bound by their religion to deny the human rights afforded to us by the Constitution.
While we are on it, just so it is understood what rights we are speaking of, here’s a list of Sharia principles they would like us all to live by:
– Adultery is punishable by lashing and stoning to death. In addition, the testimony of a woman is worth half that of a man (yes it specifies the percentage). This means that for a woman to claim innocence in adultery when she is accused by a male, she must have other witnesses (preferably male) to support her claim of innocence.
– Apostasy or leaving Islam is punishable by death and apostates are to be killed wherever they are found.
– Islam/ Sharia, provided by Allah, is the only law. Any other system of laws is invalid to adherents of Sharia. This includes western democracies and constitutional republics like the United States.
– Female Genital Mutilation is to be practiced under the guise of circumcising girls by cutting off the clitoris, just as the foreskin of boys is removed.
– Women hold a legal and social status that is inferior to men. Examples of this practice include:
– Testimony of a woman before a judge is worth half that of a man.
– Women are to receive just one-half the inheritance of a male.
– Muslim men are given permission by Allah in the Quran to beat their wives.
– Muslim men are given permission by Allah to commit marital rape, as they please.
– Muslim men are permitted to marry up to four wives and to keep concubines in any number.
– Muslim women may marry only one Muslim man and are forbidden from marrying a non-Muslim.
– A woman may not travel outside the home without the permission of her male guardian and must be accompanied by a male family member if she does so.
– Under Sharia, to bring a claim of rape, a Muslim woman must present four male Muslim witnesses in good standing. The burden of avoiding illicit sexual encounters rests entirely on the woman. Under Sharia, women who bring a claim of rape without being able to produce the requisite four male Muslim witnesses are admitting to having had illicit sex. If she or the man is married, this amounts to an admission of adultery, and as mentioned above, adultery is punishable by lashing, or stoning to death.
– Rape is not considered a serious crime. Instead, it is considered a damage to a woman and the male who is found guilty (a rarity considering the requirements to prove rape – see above) must pay a financial penalty/damages. The amount to be paid is around $400. The rapist receives no other prison sentence unless he fails to pay the damages.
– Divorced Muslim women who remarry lose custody of children from the prior marriage.
– Muslim family killing, known as ‘Honor Killing’ is accepted under Sharia law and a Muslim parent faces no legal Sharia penalty for killing his child or grandchild who has brought dishonor to the family through failure to live a strict Muslim life.
– Islam is superior to every other culture, faith, government, and society and it is ordained by Allah to conquer and dominate them.
– Muhammad exterminated the entire Jewish population of the Arabian Peninsula. Hating Jews is a basic tenet of Islam and dates back to its very beginnings.
– Jihad is the struggle to spread Islam. It may take many forms other than bloodshed, but constant warfare and killing is an accepted jihadist method to bring about the world domination of Islam
– It is permissible for a Muslim to lie, especially to non-Muslims, to safeguard himself personally or to protect Islam. This is called Taqiyya and is widely practiced, making any agreement with a Muslim nation, and many individuals, problematic as they are perfectly justified by their belief system to deceive non-Muslims.
– In Sharia, slander means anything that might offend a Muslim, hence the cries of discrimination and “Islamophobia” by Muslims when a Muslim belief or practice is condemned as being barbaric or not in compliance with Western values.
– Marriage of pre-pubescent girls is permitted, in some places encouraged. Sexual relations with those girls may take place at the age of eight or nine.
Pretty great belief system…right?
5. LibMan: Most Muslims don’t want to harm us as long as we don’t invade their lands, kill their people, and steal their valuables.
Response: An absurd statement not borne out by the facts. The list of terrorist murders committed in the name of Islam, in order to kill the “infidel”, are too numerous to list here. The dead number in the tens of thousands since 1974 and the number of injured and maimed is even higher. (here are a few sources you can search on the internet if you choose ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks , http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2015/02/chronological-list-of-islamic-terrorist.html, https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/site/the-list.aspx)
These are not attacks to liberate countries from the supposed grip of American oppression. These were attacks to further the cause of Islamic Jihad, the establishment of the Caliphate for Sunni Muslims and the general destruction of Israel and Western culture by Sunni and Shia Muslims alike.
6. LibMan: I have lived and worked in two Muslim countries and visited many more, and I have found Muslims to be very hospitable people
Response: I have also known and worked with Muslims. Those I have known have been decent upstanding people in my relations with them. I would expect them to be.
That does not negate the reality of the vast numbers of worldwide Muslims who want to destroy America. Evidence is easy to find…Muslim riots in Europe…worldwide Islamic celebration and dancing in the streets when the World Trade Center towers came down…boos from the entire stadium of people at a Turkish soccer game when the moment of silence was held for the dead in the recent Paris terror attacks…the list goes on. Again, denying that most Muslims would be very happy to see America fall and come under the rule of the Caliphate is to deny reality, but then Liberals tend to live in a Politically Correct world of denial and spin where the obvious becomes heresy.
7. LibMan: Sharia law, by the way, applies only to Muslims and is incredibly vague and open to interpretation and misinterpretation.
Response: Actually, Sharia is not so vague. It is very specific. (See the list provided) The interpretations of it that soften its meaning are generally made by Muslim speakers who try to sanitize it for Western consumption, often using the principle of al-Taqiyya (the permission to lie to non-Muslims). Make no mistake, Muslims know and understand exactly what Sharia means and what is required under it.
Yes, it applies only to Muslims, but keep in mind that Sharia includes the concept that Islam must, and will, dominate the world by killing or enslaving those who refuse to convert to Islam. Under Quranic and Hadith Sharia traditions, Non-Muslims would be granted even fewer rights than Muslim women and children.
I refer you to an article by a true Moderate Muslim, Hussein Aboubakr. His piece entitled, “The Problem With Moderate Muslims”,( http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-problem-with-moderate-muslims/ ) does a much better job than I can in describing the blind fallacy of not recognizing mainstream, majority Islam for what it is…dedicated to the destruction of the Untied States and Western culture.
One final reference you might find interesting. The words of a former Muslim woman, raised in a Muslim country, on the reality of Islam. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edVQETclhps ) Note that she ends with her thoughts on teaching Islam in schools.
Going back to the original Facebook picture posted by my friend…if anything should be taught about Islam in our schools, as decided by local school districts and parents, it should be truth…Islam is the antithesis of every principle of Liberty and individual rights that we hold dear…and yes, they want to kill us.